How Much Silver?

Given the different legends, how much silver is there supposed to be in the San Saba Treasure?

The most common story is the Longworth Waybill. It has one treasure room and 2,000 bars. Most accounts say each bar weighed 50 pounds, although Longworth himself, in his unpublished manuscript, claimed the bars weighed 80 pounds each. Given a current (Feb 2022) price for silver, 2,000 bars at 50 lbs a bar would have a current value of $33 million dollars. If we go with 80 lbs per bar it goes to $53 million.

However, other treasure legends held that there were five treasure rooms, sometimes said to be arranged in the shape of a Roman cross, or sometimes it was claimed that if the first room were to be found, there would be instructions as to where the other four rooms were. Given 5 equal rooms, the values could go up between $167 to $267 million dollars.


Happy to announce a new website: This new site will have articles and resources not only on the San Saba Treasure but also on other legends in and around Texas, contributed by both myself and a variety of accomplished authors in the field. The idea is to make that site the go-to place for lost mine and hidden treasure legends in Texas.

Contributing authors will have an opportunity to list their books (and how to buy them) on their respective author pages, but otherwise no ads, no tracking, and no nonsense. Check it out and check it in the coming months. Over the next year or so most of the content of this site will be moved to that site.

Judge Norton’s Wife, Dora Loar

Judge Norton’s second wife was Dora Loar. Norton’s son was from his first wife (Maria “Mamie” Bean.) She refused to move with him to Menard in 1930, and instead lived out her life over the next 30 years in their house in San Antonio. Found a photo of her the other day. It is only a guess, but perhaps the photo was taken on Norton’s ranch before he moved into the city.

She refused to move to Menard, to which Julius responded that he was going there and would not come back until he found the treasure. To which she replied that she thought she would never see him again. And she did not.

Mined at Los Amalgres, Smelted at San Saba?

One plausible explanation of the rumors of silver around the San Saba Presidio is that silver ore was mined at Los Amalgres, in today’s Llano County during seasons when the Comanche and Apache were away, and the ore hauled back to the San Saba Presido for smelting the other parts of the year.

Silver-bearing slag was found just outside of the San Saba Presidio. And the area would be ideal for a smelting operation: running water, lots of wood for charcoal, away from the tax man in San Antonio, and most importantly a stone fortress that the natives never breached. But, as hard has as people have looked for it, no silver ore of any significant quantity has been found around the old Presidio.

But, if ore was taken back from Los Amalgres and refined at the Presidio, that would account for the stories of silver in that area. And if someone asked where one was mining the silver, why not say at the old Presidio? That would keep Los Amalgres out of the picture.

Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to visit what may well be the Los Amalgres Mines near Pack Saddle Mountain in Llano county. It was hotter than hot, and every night I had to pick out cactus needles with a pair of pliers, but it was worth it.

One mine, on the top of the mountain, was from the 1920’s. A cable had ran from there to the base of hill where the remains of a large smelter stood. A bucket ran up and down to deliver ore. The mine shaft went straight down into the mountain. I could not see the bottom of it. The walls were solid with granddaddy long leg spiders. The story was that it was a new mine, not an extension of an old mine, and that some silver did come out of it, but it played out or at any rate did not cover the costs.

There were older mines there, as evidences by large rocks in the spoils piles. Small rocks tend to mean dynamite. These rocks were large. One of the mines went back a ways and split into a Y. Nothing in there but spiders, crickets, and two mice.

The more interesting mine went into another side of a hill and included a vertical shaft of fifty feet ore more in depth. Did not have climbing equipment or a gas monitor, so passed on going down it. Still thinking about if it is worth the risk or not. Some people have gone into it recent years. It is thought that this was a Spanish shaft that was re-worked sometime later by Anglos.

One more vertical shaft ended in water, and the land owner said that he once pumped the water out and some timbers were visible.

I did not see any traces of left over veins in the mines — maybe they dug it all out. It is hard to see them as just prospects as that was a whole lot of digging just to look around.

Otherwise, there were some actual prospects. The fellow who arranged the visit (who is working on a book of his own, that touches on these mines and gives some reasons why these really could be the Los Amalgres Mines described by Miranda) suspected that they were prospects done as per the Spanish Mining ordinances. As part of filing a claim so many prospect holes had to be dug. They were about five feet square and five feet deep, more or less.

No remains of a Spanish era smelter were found, although we did not have the time or the permission of the various land owners to scour the countryside looking for such evidence. It is said that there were the remains of a smelter in the area before a highway paved it over. It is too bad it was lost before it was at least documented and examined by historians and archeologists.

Llano country truly is a geological wonderland: a layer of limestone pushed up by mineral bearing rock. A little bit of everything is there: gold, silver, tungsten, mica, rare earth minerals–if it exists it is probably there. The problem is the little bit part. It has a little bit of everything, but not a lot of any one thing. Attempts at silver and gold mining in Llano County have come and gone over the years, and some of them may have sold more mining stock than dug up good ore.

Hunter’s Rise and Fall of the Mission San Saba

One of the most important sources for the San Saba treasure legends is the 1905 book The Rise and Fall of the Mission San Saba by John Hunter. J. Frank Dobie used it, a lot, when he wrote the chapter on the San Saba Treasure in his book Coronado’s Children.

It was a limited run print for a Texas Rangers convention held in Menard that year. About thirty years later John’s son Marvin published a reprint of it. It is a hard book to find to say the least.

Well, it showed up in digital form here. That website has a number of scans of works I know are still in copyright, but this book is well out of copyright so no harm in making use of it.

Regarding Hunter’s work, I think where he was right, he was really right. Where he was wrong, well, he was really wrong. He had the Los Almagres mine being next to Menard, which it is not–it is clearly in today’s Llano county. He was not the first to write about the Tres Manos Bowie story, but he was the first to really elaborate on it, and the Tres Manos story was nothing but folklore.

But, he was the only person who saw the original ruins of the presidio before it was taken apart and wrote about it. He also visited the remains of the mission before the location of it was lost for several decades. And if it was not for this book, it may never have been rediscovered. Hunter had moved to Mexico during the Civil War to avoid conscription by the Confederacy, and when he returned from Mexico he spoke Spanish and had heard a number of rumors of silver on the San Saba. He referenced several Spanish era archival documents in his booklet. Hunter is to be ignored at one’s peril, even if not everything he wrote was perfect.

If you are interested in the legend enough to make it this far, then read that book!

Revised Edition?

Getting the book to print was an exhausting endeavor for a working stiff who took up writing for the first time. Needing a long break, and moving to a different state (Texas, appropriately) since it was published, had not thought much about the book since it came out.

Met the publisher a while back at a historical conference and he said something about maybe the book getting into paper back. Or, if it goes out of print, the right to publish it reverts to myself, and I could then self-publish via print-on-demand through Create Space or Ingram Spark or whatever.

If there is another edition, would probably expand the chapter on Los Amalgres somewhat. An associate of mine is doing a great deal of research there, and it is his story to tell, but I think that there may be a connection between the two and it needs to be written about. It would include some research into mineral lease records in Menard which might clear up a mystery or two. A few typos that made it to print would be fixed as well.

And, the front pages of the book listed it as being related to San Saba County, which it is not. It is strictly related to Menard County. That mistake was made by the publisher.

Might include some more photos, illustrations, and one more map. I think this sort of book really that sort of thing.

If anyone has any suggestions, drop me a line at

New Review: Southwestern Historical Quarterly

Came across this today. David M. Williams reviewed the book in the October 2019 edition of the Southwestern Historical Quarterly. A link to the review is here.

Was not aware that the journal would be doing a review of the book, so it was interesting to read it. The conclusion was “This well-organized book is well worth reading.”

Los Almagres – San Saba link?

Los Almagres was an area in today’s Llano County that was prospected, and almost certainly mined, during the Spanish colonial era.  It is often confused with the San Saba presidio as they were in operation in more or less the same time frames.

There are Spanish era shafts in Llano County, but no one has reported finding slag around them.  Slag would be evidence of smelting with flux and charcoal in a blast furnace type arrangement.

Los Alamagres had a problem with Indians killing miners, but certain seasons of the year the Indians were not there.  Could miners have dug up ore at Los Almagres during the safe season, then transported it some safer place to refine it during the seasons the Indians passed through Los Almagres?

What would be a safe place not too far away?  Something like a stone fortress–how about the San Saba fort the Spaniards abandoned in 1772?  The San Saba Presidio area had water, and timber for charcoal — all essentials for smelting.

This hypothesis explains the following:

  1. Why the remains of a smelter and slag was found at the San Saba Presidio by Anglos later on.  A sample of the slag tested positive for silver.
  2. Why no slag was found in Llano county.
  3. Legends about mines on the San Saba — refining can be as big a job as mining, and perhaps the miners really spent most of their time there, so it entered the folklore in San Antonio.

Why not tell the Spaniards that there was silver at Los Almagres and gain military protection?  That had already been tried and protection was refused–probably due to politics as to who would be the Presidio commander.  Why refine it at the abandoned fort instead of in San Antonio?  Doing it nine days to the north of San Antonio would have kept it secret from the Spanish authorities and evaded the 20% tax.

Not much evidence for this theory, but it certainly explains a lot.


Will be Presenting at the East Texas Historical Assoc. Meeting Oct 12

If you are anywhere near Nacogdoches, TX on October 12, think about attending the 9:00AM session on A Historical Look at Treasure Legends.  It will be hosted by Wes Ferguson of Texas Monthly, and will consist of a talk by Gary Pinkerton (True Believers: Treasure Hunters at Hendricks Lake) and myself (The San Saba Treasure: Legends of Silver Creek).  We will both be speaking for about 30 minutes, then there will be a Q & A session.  After the session I plan on signing books at the Univ. of North Texas Press table.

The event is at the Fredonia Hotel, and I think one can register at the event, but probably better to do it ahead of time here.